老猪871 发表于 2007-12-17 21:09:00

<p><font size="5">这跟年底了有关系吗?? </font></p><p><font size="5">谢谢,这里不是蜂鸟!</font></p><p><font size="5">我就是不懂,您能给我们解释一下,</font></p><p><font size="5">我就是不懂,您能给我们解释一下,这几幅作品的整体摄影艺术和包括的摄影基本知识吗?</font></p><p><font size="5"><br/></font></p><p><br/><font size="5">总要给不同意见的人,一个说话的空间和时间段,毕竟网站存在着各种不同想法的网友,满打满算,也就是俩礼拜,天也塌不下来.况且,我现在顶着雷,让不同意见尽情的发表出来,我想网站还是有这种能量和度量的.至多明年伊始,进行全盘格式化,回到初始化状态不就完了吗.</font></p><p><font size="5">我所说蜂鸟.只是说.我要拍人体,就不会在这里裹乱了,我是说我经历过这些事,我才有可能,对于这种事有真切的认识.作为一个斑竹,你觉得是完全没有接触过多种题材的人选好呢,还是经历过然后慎重选择决定的人选好呢?</font></p><p><font size="5">正是因为,这几张片子确实不能"这几幅作品的整体摄影艺术和包括的摄影基本知识吗?"所以才需要我们象解剥个别范例一样,来分析,来考虑,我们这样说,可能对于徐老师大不恭,但我们因为有胡湖这样的不同认识,所以才就事论事的.至于对这几张片子的评价,上面很多网友,不也在从个人理解的角度,参与这种学习方式吗?这也就够了,至于真正的结论.恐怕这个网站也说不清楚.何况你我那?</font></p><p><br/></p>

宣南胡胡 发表于 2007-12-17 21:01:00

<p>哈哈 说话要场合,你猜徐老师会不会拿这个作品出来跟他的未成年的孩子讨论呢?</p><p>我就怕你说我把这个事情庸俗化,我不反对讨论这个,成人收费台我都不反对,但是这里不是正确的场合和地点</p><p><a href="http://bbs.oldbeijing.net/index.asp" style="CURSOR: hand;"><font face="仿宋_GB2312">您别忘了 您帖子的前面是:</font></a></p><p><font face="仿宋_GB2312">老北京网论坛</font><font face="仿宋_GB2312"> → </font><a href="http://bbs.oldbeijing.net/index.asp?boardid=22"><font face="仿宋_GB2312">记录-老北京 “关注物质文化遗产保护” 老北京网拍记组织</font></a><font face="仿宋_GB2312"> → </font><a href="http://bbs.oldbeijing.net/index.asp?boardid=52&amp;page=1"><font face="仿宋_GB2312">专业摄影艺术版 (摄影技术与艺术讨论专区)</font></a>&nbsp; </p><p>那么多好的作品您为什么要拿这幅出来呢?</p><p>更何况朱老师好像还没解释清楚,这位大师的艺术技巧和内涵吧?</p>

老猪871 发表于 2007-12-17 20:49:00

<p><font size="5">"询问?我想阐发个广告可以吗?探讨一下明年网站走向商业化,尤其是人体商业化的问题!"</font></p><p><font size="5">1 我已经提出,是否把摄影网友的图片,能够进行商业化的运做,作一个老北京专题图库.这是一种资源利用,至于网站现在是否商业化,背景我不太清楚,但提出网站已经公司化,而且友人出钱10万元,我想这不已经就是商业化运做了吗.</font></p><p><font size="5">2 人体商业化.我不回避,我和张巍曾经尝试过,把四合院人体作为一种探讨,可以讲,不是很理想,但是作为一种在现实环境下的,不违反国家法律的想法.我觉得也用不着大惊小怪,只不过,是一种摄影题材的不同选择罢了.</font></p>

02020022 发表于 2007-12-18 21:59:00

<p><a href="http://chenzhiyong.blshe.com/post/1347/74881">http://chenzhiyong.blshe.com/post/1347/74881</a></p><p>&nbsp;1 支持版主想方。</p><p>&nbsp;2&nbsp;深层次的问题在此讨论不太现实。 </p><p>&nbsp;3 上面连接是摄影理论家陈智勇有关《解决方案》的见解,仅供参考。</p>

鲁丝 发表于 2007-12-19 08:38:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>油油</i>在2007-12-18 20:09:48的发言:</b><br/><p>胡胡保重身体啊,UU已经胆固醇高了,离死也不远了,郁闷中~~~~</p><p>怀念那个时候~~~~</p><p>"我希望能把我们的拍记,把曾经的“战斗笔记”好好地恢复起来,这是我们应该做的。"</p><p>我想我们都会做的,用自己的方式来诠释</p><p>因为我们爱北京的心是一致的</p><br/></div><p><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #cbe7ce;">夏天我体检是脂肪肝,嘎嘎,看来,我们还是要注意饮食营养,健康是逛胡同寻历史的本钱,嘎嘎~~~~</font></p>

油油 发表于 2007-12-18 20:09:00

<p>胡胡保重身体啊,UU已经胆固醇高了,离死也不远了,郁闷中~~~~</p><p>怀念那个时候~~~~</p><p>"我希望能把我们的拍记,把曾经的“战斗笔记”好好地恢复起来,这是我们应该做的。"</p><p>我想我们都会做的,用自己的方式来诠释</p><p>因为我们爱北京的心是一致的</p>
[此贴子已经被作者于2007-12-18 20:11:46编辑过]

宣南胡胡 发表于 2007-12-18 14:41:00

<p>朱老师,以及各位的网友:</p><p>胡胡昨日身体不适,晚上粒米未进,前面的话全在是抛砖引玉,希望能激起大家想说话、敢说话的热情,以此发表自己对摄影以及对老北京网站今后发展的看法。</p><p>蓝灯的话,让我想起我们最初拍记队的时光,那时候多好啊,人虽然不多,但是气氛融洽。每次拍记之前大家都做了功课,每次去都是有目的性的,拍记是为了考察,为了记录,从未想过照片拍得如何,从未觉得自己的相机如何,只要是记录便是好的。走访各位胡同里的大爷大妈,更是我们的专职,录音、记录,然后回来整理“战斗笔记”,由于大家的目的单纯而统一,所以成果总是显著的,那时候每周去一个地方,回来写拍记的人却不只一个,大家都争相阐述自己的记录和表现方式。</p><p>拍记队因有这样的成绩而吸引了更多人的参加和更多媒体的关注。既然是拍记,拍是很重要的一种记录方式,好多热爱摄影的朋友们也来了,我想很大一部分朋友来老北京网拍记都是本着对老北京胡同的热爱来的,因着这份不同而使得摄影有了更加丰富的内涵。</p><p>小女子不才,并不懂摄影,那些光圈啊,数据啊,更是想想就头大,但是以我的理解,摄影与文字一样是一种自我的表达方式,即使是纪实摄影也是如此,所以形式永远是为内容和意义而服务,不管这种形式是胡同、还是人体,都可以是一种想法与诉求的表达,所以我并不是老学究式的封建落后。但是形式的东西很容易让我们陷入浮躁和空洞,如果摄影单单只是流于直觉的冲击与前卫的创新,便失去了其发现生活中的美的涵义。当然我相信每个成功的摄影师的作品中都有可取之处,如果能给我们提供一些借鉴也未尝不是好事,这也是我一再要朱老师给大家讲解徐勇这些作品的原因,然而,至今我却并未看到。</p><p>老北京网之所以能吸引越来越多的朋友来,正是大家觉得这里拍记是有丰富内涵的,是内容大于形式的,不仅仅是拍,还有记,不仅仅是摄影技术的提高,更是对老北京文化追根的诉求,是历史的考察,也是我们心灵的丰富。如果这样的本真意义失去了,我不知道老北京网的存在还有什么价值。当然多元是可取的,但是我们却是因为北京文化这份独特而聚在一起,而被人重视,因而取得今天的一点点成就,舍本逐末的事情,最好还是少做吧。毕竟掌柜的是望着他家的旧窗棂而创建的老北京,而不是一个大姑娘,哈哈,玩笑。</p><p>胡胡在吃过了两个鸡蛋和一小碗面条之后,终于思路清晰了一点,才写出了以上的一点东西,不管对与不对,其拳拳真挚之心是可见的。我不是北京人,但是总觉得与北京有一种无法割舍的缘分,是这里让我与北京离得更近,也是这里让我一点的点的深入了解北京,感谢大家对我的一直以来的关心和照顾,我知道长时间以来我自己本职的工作做的都不好,实在因为自己始终找不到定位,埋怨别人都是不应该的,只有想清楚以后,更加努力的工作。我希望能把我们的拍记,把曾经的“战斗笔记”好好地恢复起来,这是我们应该做的。</p>

草根人生 发表于 2007-12-18 08:22:00

<font size="5">这篇回帖,很有力度。贴中提及的问题,很多都是我久蓄于衷却又懒于动笔的东西。灯心绒老弟比我有勇气,更比我勤奋,有机会敬你一杯。</font>

蓝灯心绒 发表于 2007-12-18 04:00:00

<p><font face="楷体_GB2312" color="#1111ee" size="4"><strong>个人一丢点儿想法:<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 广大网友找到老北京网参加拍记活动,最根本的动因斗胆认为是两个:对根源文化的寻觅与追溯,这是伴随着一方面传统文化人为损灭严重,另一方面传统文化保护意识不断的被社会自发强化而出现的,这是一场带有回溯性质的潮流,支流庞杂没有地域之分;再有,就是生于斯长于斯的情怀使然了。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 朱老师所说的痛心我能理解。一两年前,也曾参加过几次拍记,在这以前,总是自己去胡同里串,而我那时候的主要拍摄兴趣还在人像,小品上,串胡同其实更多的是在找一种心静坦然的氛围,一段时间不走走我难受,至于拍东西也只是顺手而为,反正平常也老带着家伙事儿,所以我现在拍胡同也不是很讲体系的记录式拍摄,这点和掌柜几年如一日的拍摄录音比不了。可串着串着,我就总想再多知道点什么,想和人交流交流胡同的典故,这就是我当初参加拍记的原因,后来有一段不怎么在论坛发片了,只是看,是因为忙,也是因为照的相同题材少。我一直觉得,胡同摄影是展现北京传统文化形式中的一个重点手段,而于摄影所说,这个点难免有单调之嫌,或许有朋友认为在胡同浓缩了老北京的人情世故,市井百态,但我还是更赞同题材范围的界定要立足于北京文化的整体,拍记其实是更有组织有内涵的网友活动罢了,因为他长年在形式上的坚持,才得到了越来越多人的认同,不断有朋友因为对这种形式的认同而加入,而这些朋友的作品扩充丰满了胡同拍记的羽翼,但同时也不断有朋友因为拍记题材的局限性和走过场而渐渐离开,因为要想在一个论坛找到自我的归属,必须要有一个可以持续刺激自己参与的动因,这点很重要。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 如果说是拍摄的乐趣,我想很多初中级的色友是不会限定拍摄题材的;如果说是胡同文化,也存在每次拍摄太过形式,串完就散的弊端,久而久之,自身与拍记的相融会出现隔阂,因为每个人来参加的初始目的是不一样的,所以把大家的玩法科学合理的统一是个题。我想如果每周由版主或拍记头目在版块上对拍摄地点周边的人文历史建筑风格等等做个全面的铺垫,预习一样的干活,资料铺陈详实,再去的话,一定会避免很多盲目性,也能使参加者能事先确定自己要关注的主题。而一旦这类工作展开,就会有很多相关的趣味内容被扩充其中,比如人物风物的考证、建筑风格的探究、历史典故的穿梭、甚至可以细到探讨住在这里的某名伶于某年某月某日在这里干过什么...而这一切,都是围绕每次拍记活动而展开的,并不与其他相关版块的相关内容冲突,相反,确是一个对网友参与度的促进。次数可以减少,力求一次有一次的成效,地点与内容的选择也可以根据安排扩展一下,比如古村落,博物馆,文化活动等等。可以把题材放在北京文化的角度上加以把握,把胡同的架构放大。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 我想每位这里的网友,心中都装着属于自己的北京,让大家围绕拍记主题,从不同角度方面去阐述凌驾于影像之上的情感,个人觉得一定是种升华,更是一种对老北京网金字招牌“拍记队”理念的深入和强化。所以我支持对自己的拍记作品进行不限内容的表述。我这次去西藏回来,有个朋友说,你的照片很好,但没有文字立刻感觉就没以前你写游记配图的好了,想看西藏的照片,网上多了,好的都差不多,有多少人还会关注你拍的啊。言之确实有理。尽管这类表述性的贴子在记录文化研究和专业摄影艺术版中都有,但结果就是因为一个专业一个非专业而被分割开,而参与和支持的力量也就相应被削弱了。心知其中一定有专业的高手,但我还是愿意去把所有的朋友当成非专业的专业去对待,因为这里讲求的摄影技巧我自己的理解更多的是照出意味,照出见解。可称文化摄影,而非单纯技巧的优劣,非专业之于文化/摄影而言,专业则之于拍摄态度而言。所以我一直很尊敬墩版的文字图片,严谨详实,有自己的见解,坚持自己的特色,没有被限定在每次拍记的大规模交作业热潮中(以前也经常在蜂鸟无忌参加活动,大多数朋友都是长枪短炮各不相让的拍相同的东西然后在论坛里进行类似的展示,有高手,但更多的是空洞的填充,因此对此形式比较头疼,慢慢的就索然无味了)。建议论坛酌情对版块进行适度调整。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 同时,摄影技术与技巧的学习内容当然也不可或缺,而这个内容,就可套在朱老师这个帖子上。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 常年在网上趴活的都有使搜索引擎的习惯,碰上什么不知道的敲完一看做电脑前面就都成专家了,现代技术赐予人们的学习方式一方面大大拓宽了我们的眼界,另一方面也大大增加了我们的浮躁指数。摄影象很多相关的艺术形式一样,都是带有展示个性意义的表现,比如唱歌、演奏乐器、表演等等,也就不可避免的在经济向好的大环境下产生附庸风雅的虚火。比如烧器材、甚至一段时间的烧题材。以前曾经特想去拍人体,但找不到合适的人和机会(要不就不让,要不就不感冒),我以为人体是美的,无论疾病年龄高矮胖瘦,都有他极富表现力的一面,哪怕是如上的实验题材,而要抓住这点,一定是得需要眼光的敏锐与技艺的高超,所以一直认为拍人体的都是高手,但当我去了两次活动后发现,这里拍人体居然跟拍冬储白菜没什么两样,至多是给白菜使了俩灯披一薄纱罢了,一帮人驱车于周末驶往一风景地拍之嬉之吃之休息之然后回之,这样的情形每周都在如火如荼的上演着。于是对当时蜂鸟上的这个热潮产生了困惑。那个四合院人体的空前大讨论我也参加了,我真的是没从那些作品中看到多少美感,模特素质不说,单是内大脏脚丫子就足以让我口鼻流血,等后来知道是掌柜和朱老师组织的嫁接尝试,心中倒少了些反感,但要是刨去网站宣传的因素以外(妄言),这次活动单纯从摄影角度上到底得到了多少有益的尝试,至&nbsp; 少那些篇幅的跟贴回贴,没给我一个满意的答案。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 个人意见:应增加对艺术家经典作品的赏析,但赏析重点应放在技法构图等指标和创作构思,创作背景上,斟酌对其创作思潮和表现手法的探讨,过于前卫和夸张,缺乏交互表达内容的尽量少安排,这样一方面能够进行技巧教学,开展一定范围的专业知识讨论,减少讨论中岔路的出现;另一方面也可以引导各位摄友拍摄时思路与表现方式的差异化。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 有次吃饭向城根叔请教和探讨,自己觉得这个平台好就好在聚集了不同领域但有共同爱好和感情的朋友,大家在这个论坛上朋友般的相处,然后制定不同的玩法,以网站为依托,以对北京城和传统文化的热爱为出发点,大家能开开心心的乐活。看了朱老师的构想,一直尊敬您的严谨,摄影带给大家的是发现生活的乐趣,一个健康有趣的玩法肯定要面临众口难调的问题,还请您和各位斑竹和网站头脑费心了,在这里我也没什么资历,只是出于对论坛的热爱胡说些个人观点,有一点参考价值,我就高兴的P颠P颠的了。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp; (夜半乱敲,皆为大胡子羊鞭所致,不当之处,观者见谅)</strong></font></p><p><font face="楷体_GB2312"></font></p>
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我是片子 发表于 2007-12-18 00:46:00

<p>摄影家、诗人、画家,在其作品完成的那一刻开始,作品对他们已经没有意义,作品影响的是看作品的人,而创作者是影响作品的人。如果想真正的品味和评论一幅作品,我觉得最有效的是需要了解作者的创作思考过程的,缺乏背景了解而对作品作出的理解和评论,其实是被作品影响的结果,是观者内心主观感受的投影,而不一定是作品本身的客观含义和作者的本意。</p><p>所以说“不穿衣服我怎么知道是哪个民族的”~ 这类概念类的作品大多数人实在无法仅通过铜体来窥探本质 也就难怪各方有各种理解了&nbsp;<strong>如果没有舒的这段话作为注解 那肯定是一头雾水到3000年~</strong></p><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/20071218046281686.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/>

爱屋及乌 发表于 2007-12-19 14:52:00

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">我说几句:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">几张人体照片,就能把网站的风气带坏?这样看是不是太肤浅了,也把网友的素质估计得太低了?现在的黄色网站整日力图冲破各位的防火墙,把格式一丝不挂的美女力男塞到你的眼前,网友们早就见怪不怪了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">至于这么大惊小怪吗?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">大家首先要看看猪版主发帖的初衷吧。我想猪版是想给大家开阔眼界的。这个眼界跟胡同摄影大大的有关。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">打个比方,咱们的拍记队,就像一个胡同文化扫盲机器,日复一日坚持这么多年,参加过的网友超过千人,是绝对的免费培训,所以才获得媒体群众大家的一致认可和高度赞誉。拍记队是日益壮大的,前面刚给人们扫盲完毕,后面来了猪版手持史记,老庄,等高深的文言文,要给大家讲,自然遭到很多人的讥笑,说老猪啊,偶刚会写自己的名字,你就给俺看之乎者也,偶还要拉洋车赚口粮去,先不听啊。这个态度我看很好。没有贬低任何人的意思,完全是比方。刘姥姥见识到了贾府里茄子的高难做法,才知道世间有如此精细的美食的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;;"><font face="Times New Roman">……</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">开眼啊</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;;">…</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">..<p></p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">为何要长眼界呢?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">咱们拍胡同,拍什么啊?胡胡前面说的许多方法是基本方法,我们从来都没想到要抛弃任何一种那样的好方法。可是,咱们要拍胡同,其本身,就是一个百科全书,是一种生活。那么这个生活的主题,是什么?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">不是房子,花草,蜂窝煤,是人,<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">胡同里面的人,是这部百科全书的主角!!</b></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">在摄影领域,拍摄人像是最难的技法之一。为何猪版要从拍人体模特开始拍胡同啊?我自己揣摩,人,之所以难拍,是因为难于拍到思想状态,精神状态,再美的身体,再美的脸蛋,眼睛里面没有东西,肢体语言里面没有内涵,带给摄影师的是痛苦和失落,带给观众的是庸俗和浮躁。也有摄影师尝试带着美女到胡同里面拍照,拿捏姿势,拍出来的照片,我想他要么看不懂,要么觉得失败的丢人,因为只有和谐的,才能有打动人心的力量美,只有生活在胡同里面的人,才具有与胡同融为一体的气质,拍着这样的人,才可能拍出胡同里面的主角的美。反映胡同生活的美和现状。由这些咱们再去探讨深层的精神的,历史的,地理的,建筑的等等更深的东西。这样也才最客观。才能不是流于形式。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">绕了一圈,说白了,猪版或许想让大家知道拍胡同人像的难度和拍胡同人像的内涵意义。要让咱们的拍记队拍出的胡同人像不仅在数量上多,还要在质量上超出所有人,因为只有深爱和了解胡同的人,才有可能拍出最经典,最美的胡同人像!你们说对不?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">所以大家要了解拍人像的技法,要开眼界,要了解我们能做的更好!!</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">说句酸的话,猪版这样的好男人。敢担当,有责任心。是咱们论坛的超级老宝贝。哈哈哈哈!</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all; TEXT-INDENT: 20.1pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p></span></p>

鲁丝 发表于 2007-12-19 15:39:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'mso-hansi-font-family:'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'mso-hansi-font-family:'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span></p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'mso-hansi-font-family:'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">几张人体照片,就能把网站的风气带坏?这样看是不是太肤浅了,也把网友的素质估计得太低了?现在的黄色网站整日力图冲破各位的防火墙,把格式一丝不挂的美女力男塞到你的眼前,网友们早就见怪不怪了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'mso-hansi-font-family:'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'mso-hansi-font-family:'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">至于这么大惊小怪吗?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'mso-hansi-font-family:'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">
                </span></div><p>建个连接就成了,非要把照片贴上来?我想,拍记队应该有很多胡同人像拍的不错的照片吧.这种艺术在老北京网拿出来讨论太过了,再说一遍,这里是老北京网,不是蜂鸟也不是无忌,我们渴望传统文化,希望在此观赏到更经典的胡同影象,而不是接受专业摄影学习,再说,这个论坛上玩摄影的人也都没高到能教别人的地步呢.</p><p>好的胡同人像作品多的是,如果大家都拿这些照片来做讲解与举例的话,恐怕会有很多真正热爱老北京文化的网友流失,没了人气,再好的主题也是空谈. </p><p>这些人像就不错,拿这些图片举例不更好? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121915335784186.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121915342924520.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121915353425245.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121915363285890.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/>

老猪871 发表于 2007-12-19 15:02:00

回复:(老猪871)回复:(老猪871)徐勇—798 ----解...

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">三</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">关于徐勇的的评价</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">请再看我已经发过的文字</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">1 </font></span><span style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">徐勇摄影内容的转换,所以不能因为他曾经是胡同题材的先行者,现在的胡同拍摄,就不能再出其右。而且,现在他又在转换了关注的视角,所以,从学习的角度讲,该学习什么,该再思索什么,也是一种学习态度。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: #222222;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">2 </font></span><span style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">关于为什么把徐勇的这篇作品拿到这里</span><span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">,</span><span style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">原因很多</span><span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">,</span><span style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">当时我提到蒋晨明和徐勇</span><span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">,</span><span style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">友人觉得不能并列</span><span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">.</span><span style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">而当时自己提出的观点就是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">:</span><span style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">徐勇拍的胡同</span><span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">,</span><span style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">是那一时段的事情</span><span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">,</span><span style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">如何看待现在他的胡同摄影</span><span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">,</span><span style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">要有具体的时空观念</span><span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;">,<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">3 </span><span style="COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">但这组片子,我对于这种形式,更多的是学习作者的表现手法思路,而也可以讲,如果编辑出画册。我是不准备收藏的。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: #222222;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">4 </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">深层次的问题在此讨论不太现实。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">我个人之所以把这组片子放在这里</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">我并不是想评论徐勇</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">一是我根本不具备这种能力和水平</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">一是我现在提出这个问题</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">是说明</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">看待一位胡同题材的先行者</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">要辨证思维</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">而且我在评论这个问题上</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">我不具备说谁好不好</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">只能稍微具备了说喜欢不喜欢的能力</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">所以</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">评论徐勇的事</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">还是看</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">02</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">老师的那片文章</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">会更有启发</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">再次谢谢蓝灯心绒</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">老鸵鸟</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">黑白</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">45 </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">草根</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">片子</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">无花果</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">胡同童年</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">飞哥</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">太子,鲨鱼。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">02</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">等等</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">(</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">都一并谢了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">)</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">网友的支持</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">..<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">下面的片子侧重于形式感,有什么看法,可以尽情拍砖</p><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121914584539383.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121914592149722.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121914595877067.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/200712191503196712.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/200712191514792641.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/200712191515785786.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/>

老猪871 发表于 2007-12-19 14:55:00

回复:(老猪871)徐勇—798 ----解救方案

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 30pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">昨晚看了胡胡的发言</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">很感动</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">也很震动</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 30pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">感动的是这么多的朋友</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">写了这么多真挚感人的话语</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">充分体现了我们现在所做的事情</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">是很有希望</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">也很有基础的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">震动是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">我终于能够在理论</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">(</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">或讨论</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">)</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">中触及了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">我曾经一直在思索的问题</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">---</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">为什么拍记或网站是铁打的营盘</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">流水的兵</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">我们所说的对事不对人</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">是不要因为事情本身的争论</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">而从人身的角度作为指责</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">但是我下面可以用拍记或网站的人员构成</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">先铺垫一下自己后面的意见</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">比较典型的类型</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>1 </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">专业学术型</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">. </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">斑马比较典型</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">而胡胡的毕业论文我也拜读过</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">现在油油也考上了专业</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">还有一些人吧</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">可以讲这些朋友在拍记的过程中</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">对于个人专业的发展完善</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">起到了关键的作用</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">这些人是网站拍记的理论中坚</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">是人才和财富</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">这丝毫不用质疑</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">但是下面可以这样问一个问题吗</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">这样的顶尖级网友</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">在网站和拍记队中占多大比例呢</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体;">?‘</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">让我想起我们最初拍记队的时光,那时候多好啊,人虽然不多,但是气氛融洽。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">”</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">网站发展了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">当然是鱼龙混杂</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">所以</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">我们考虑问题</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">要有时空观念</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">我们尊重原始创业人员</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">但我也目睹了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">原始创业人员的重组和后来良师益友的热情而来</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">不适而去</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">而今天讨论的话题是针对明年的工作</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">那就要有一个清醒的认识</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">今天的拍记队成员组合</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">无论、是数量和目的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">都是和原始的那几个人的状况全然不同的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>2 </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">以拍带业型</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">
                </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">可能事儿算是一种吧</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">他们比较年轻</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">对于拍记工作的热情</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">可以因为年龄上的优势</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">还可以对于个人工作的选择</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">作出相应的调整</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">但是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">可以问一下</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">如果这部分人</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">他们将来</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">能不能和上面提到的人一样</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">以这类的事情为专业呢</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">那么岁数到了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">现实说</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">还是要考虑就业为主的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>3 </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">以网待业型</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">
                        <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">姑且把掌柜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">虫子</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">列到这里</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">因为</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">毕竟他们已经到了该选择成家或立业的年龄</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">或是即若即离网站</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">或是在保证网站主旨的前提下</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">创造出</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">尽可能解决温饱问题的经济来源</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">这一点我和老爷子多次交流过</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">非常理解和支持</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>4 </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">职业爱好型</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">. </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">我算是比较典型的一类</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">虽然不是文史专业</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">但是美工的职业</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">使得自己对于某些题材的热爱</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">走到这里来了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">我们来这里</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">完全是一种兴趣爱好和职业素质修炼的使然</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>5 </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">业余爱好型</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">
                </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">我所指的人群</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">基本是对于老北京文化的热爱加上摄影或文字的喜欢来到这里的网友</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">可能基本知识各有所长</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">但不系统和全面</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">而且因为由于完全以兴趣为支撑</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">所以兴趣的舒适或投缘</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">会使他们选择参加活动与否</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>6 </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">退休怡情型</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">. </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">老爷子</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,02</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">老师比较典型</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">这些人不为了具体的什么目的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">只是一种娱享天年</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">拍记只是一种乐趣</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">一种享受</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">这种心情我是很理解的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">之所以列举了这么多的类型</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">是想说明</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">每个人在社会的经济地位不同</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">必然会反映在他处理社会事物的选择之上</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">每个人的出发点不同</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">必然会体现于拍记队和网站的希望寄寓之中,我们是在讨论明年的工作切入点,象这样的人员构成,和目的使然,我们将如何置定拍记的内容,风格,形式甚至是主旨,都不可能仅是感情用事了吧。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">二</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">
                </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">关于内容和形式</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 15pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.5;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">“摄影与文字一样是一种自我的表达方式,即使是纪实摄影也是如此,所以形式永远是为内容和意义而服务,”</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.5;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">这里面有两点不同意见</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">:<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.5;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">1 </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">摄影与文字从艺术的角度讲</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">是不同的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">文字在表现内容的时候</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">可以基本不考虑形式</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">(</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">只要基本上读的出来就可以了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">)</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">而摄影不同</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">它只要一存在</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">它就同时具备着内容和形式的两种并行标准</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">其实当文字演化成书法艺术的时候</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">文字的形式已经是内容存在的先决条件了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">而文字的姊妹艺术篆刻</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">则是典型的形式大于内容的艺术门类</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.5;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">摄影是属于形式与内容并行的艺术形式</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">缺一不可</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">我在以前写的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">&lt;</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">胡同摄影审美出探</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">&gt;</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">中说过</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">:”</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">
                        </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">作为艺术审美,肯定包含着内容与形式的两个方面。两方面都具备,都优秀的,当然更好。可是或是内容好,或是表现形式好,同样也可以称之为好的作品。二者既是相辅相成,又是各有其道。所以我们在欣赏某一幅作品的时候,如果完美无缺,那当然更好,如果在其中某一方面,有独到之处,依然是我们欣赏学习的佳作。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">”<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.5;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">其实中国的很多艺术门类</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">讲究程式化</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">讲求师传</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">也是一种对于既成形式的一种追求</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">它的审美情趣在某种意义上</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">已经超过了内容的本身</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.5;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">关键在于</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">我们讨论这个问题的时候</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">是针对什么问题而谈</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">现在拍记队的摄影常识基础很薄弱</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">可以讲拍出的片子</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">基本上还真不能称之为摄影</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">我知道</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">我们的拍记</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">可以为记而拍</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">;</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">为拍而记</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">:,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">也可以为拍而拍</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">也有人为记而记</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">所以</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">只要沾了拍的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">我觉得</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">对于摄影记忆的要求</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">总不能是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #222222;"><font face="Times New Roman">:</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">女子不才,并不懂摄影,那些光圈啊,数据啊,更是想想就头大</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">”</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">吧</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>2</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">关于形式永远为内容服务</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">说实话</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">还真有点文革的味道</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">我不想在这个问题上在重复上面的话了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">但是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">没有好的形式的作品</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">是称之为艺术品的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.<p></p></font></span></p>

老猪871 发表于 2007-12-19 15:09:00

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<img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/20071219155532360.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/200712191552559491.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/200712191554254229.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/200712191555815447.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/200712191563896911.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/200712191571495504.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/200712191574891511.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/200712191581760205.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/200712191583219842.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/200712191591932296.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/>

老猪871 发表于 2007-12-19 15:16:00

<font size="6">修正一句话:</font><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font size="6"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>2</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">关于形式永远为内容服务</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">说实话</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">还真有点文革的味道</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">我不想在这个问题上在重复上面的话了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">但是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">没有好的形式的作品</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">是<font color="#ff0000">很难</font>称之为艺术品的</span></font><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="6">.</font>
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xs 发表于 2007-12-19 16:21:00

老猪871 发表于 2007-12-19 16:30:00

<p><font size="5">鲁丝说的很有个人特点:我们渴望传统文化,希望在此观赏到更经典的胡同影象,而不是接受专业摄影学习,再说,这个论坛上玩摄影的人也都没高到能教别人的地步呢.</font></p><p><font size="5">专业摄影学习,可以根据广大网友的的意愿.其实多说这些,对于我(斑竹)本人只是多受了累,还得到了指责.</font></p><p><font size="5">至于这个论坛上,玩摄影的如何,就如同说如果大家不是梁思成,郭沫若,就别提老北京文化一样,似乎有些非彼即此的僵化模式思维.</font></p><p><font size="5">还有,这里是原创版,不是贴图版,所以用自己的东西说明自己的观点,既没有版权的麻烦,也更坦诚的把自己的东西的所指内容表现出来.如果确实只想把拍记的片子模式设定为,作成克隆和木刻一样,似乎可以把<a href="http://bbs.oldbeijing.net/index.asp?boardid=52&amp;page=1">专业摄影艺术版 (摄影技术与艺术讨论专区)</a>撤消掉算了.</font></p><p><font size="5">如果真是你所说的那样,那么全国只应该剩下人民日报了.</font></p>

xs 发表于 2007-12-19 16:49:00

老猪871 发表于 2007-12-19 16:49:00

回复:(老猪871)爱屋烧我,我也回几句./现在的回帖,多...

虽然这些片子,够不上鲁丝所说的水平,但我觉得,就是这样的片子,如果没有曾经其他题材拍摄的实践,也许不会很得心应手.我是斑竹.如果在摄影技艺上,有大家愿意推举的新斑竹.我拱手拜谢.<img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121916463861445.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121916465057441.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/200712191647428576.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121916471916304.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121916473128861.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121916474886215.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/200712191648986177.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121916485247417.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121916491060562.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121916492677602.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/>

老猪871 发表于 2007-12-19 16:42:00

<p><font size="5">爱屋烧我,我也回几句.</font></p><p><font size="5">/现在的回帖,多是拍记中侧重"记"的人的发言,而拍的人,说的还不是很多.其实大家都有个愿望,希望这些在"记"的方面有专业知识的人,多做一些自己应该做得事情---把每次拍记的相关知识背景资料整理出来,让网友受到真正的教益,可现在,非但没有很切实的做这些事,却在指责"拍"应该如何如何.我承认这也是一种好心,但还是先做好本职的事情,再参与别的事情,.这样大家也心服口服.说烧爱屋,其实她曾经很认真的作过这样的事情.我也得到过收益(譬如黄米胡同)但是,没能坚持,而且越是专业的人,却没有做这种扎实的工作.&nbsp; </font><font size="5">既然说到胡同人像.我虽然不能象鲁丝列举的那些名家大做.但也是自己的作业,也算是答对于爱屋的一个回复吧.</font></p>

老猪871 发表于 2007-12-19 16:51:00

回复:(老猪871)回复:(老猪871)爱屋烧我,我也回几...

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飞哥 发表于 2007-12-19 16:54:00

<p>大家有机会看看白浩老师在胡同里拍的人像,也是专业模特,但是绝不是简单的美女人体和胡同的表面结合,在胡同里拍这些,也是要下很多功夫的,而且白老师不单拍模特啊,他拍了很多在胡同里土生土长的人,他首先要和那些人交朋友,然后让人家心甘情愿的去拍,而且还不做作,就是把自己平时那副北京人大大咧咧的神态摆出来,然后还要拍出来,那是下了多么大的功夫啊!上次在佳能展厅参赛完了吃饭,和白老师聊了会,看了看他的画册,非常震惊和钦佩。在胡同里拍人物,也是要下很大很大功夫的。</p><p>其实老朱版主胡同里拍的人物我也是很喜欢的,就是这几张实在是无法接受,实在觉得放在老北京网心里别扭,这是我个人的感受吧。</p><p>还有鲁丝那几张胡同人像也相当不错啊,非此喜欢。</p>

鲁丝 发表于 2007-12-19 16:57:00

<p><font size="5">"专业摄影学习,可以根据广大网友的的意愿.其实多说这些,对于我(斑竹)本人只是多受了累,还得到了指责."</font></p><p><font size="5">多受累是因为帖了不该贴的图,得到指责是因为从你那里学不到北京的传统文化,我想很多人会有这种想法,只是不像我这样无所顾及的说出来罢了.</font></p><p><font size="5">"至于这个论坛上,玩摄影的如何,就如同说如果大家不是梁思成,郭沫若,就别提老北京文化一样,似乎有些非彼即此的僵化模式思维."</font></p><p><font size="5">同意思想是不该僵化,但在这个文化主题相对明确的地方我想您该想尽办法找一些好的胡同作品供大家讨论,无论是名家照的还是我们网友自己照的都可以,我想水平高低也不是网友所介意的.但非要拿徐勇的这组片子侃摄影技巧就背离了老北京网这个大主题了.</font></p><p><font size="5">"还有,这里是原创版,不是贴图版,所以用自己的东西说明自己的观点,既没有版权的麻烦,也更坦诚的把自己的东西的所指内容表现出来.如果确实只想把拍记的片子模式设定为,作成克隆和木刻一样,似乎可以把<a href="http://bbs.oldbeijing.net/index.asp?boardid=52&amp;page=1" target="_blank">专业摄影艺术版 (摄影技术与艺术讨论专区)</a>撤消掉算了."</font></p><p><font size="5">贴图标注来源也是不会有版权麻烦吧,再说我贴的那几张刘英毅的图是他对外公开的,只要不做商业用途也是没有版权麻烦的.您翻照徐勇的作品不也是贴图吗?其实就是把专业摄影艺术版真撤消掉也没有什么不好,这样可能大家能更平等,更轻松的放上自己的作品进行交流,本身我们都不是专业的,我看虫子那版里的拍记图文也与专业摄影艺术版的内容是不相上下的呀.并且我们很多人也都没有受过专业学习,也都没有专业器材,何谈专业摄影艺术版呢?</font></p><p><font size="5">我的观点还是:请大家带着感情与知识去拍摄北京,然后把图放到论坛进行交流就足以了!</font></p>
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飞哥 发表于 2007-12-19 16:58:00

刚看到猪老师上面的几张跟照片,非常不错,我指的是主贴里的照片。

鲁丝 发表于 2007-12-19 17:02:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>飞哥</i>在2007-12-19 16:54:36的发言:</b><br/><p>大家有机会看看白浩老师在胡同里拍的人像,也是专业模特,但是绝不是简单的美女人体和胡同的表面结合,在胡同里拍这些,也是要下很多功夫的,而且白老师不单拍模特啊,他拍了很多在胡同里土生土长的人,他首先要和那些人交朋友,然后让人家心甘情愿的去拍,而且还不做作,就是把自己平时那副北京人大大咧咧的神态摆出来,然后还要拍出来,那是下了多么大的功夫啊!上次在佳能展厅参赛完了吃饭,和白老师聊了会,看了看他的画册,非常震惊和钦佩。在胡同里拍人物,也是要下很大很大功夫的。</p><p>其实老朱版主胡同里拍的人物我也是很喜欢的,就是这几张实在是无法接受,实在觉得放在老北京网心里别扭,这是我个人的感受吧。</p><p>还有鲁丝那几张胡同人像也相当不错啊,非此喜欢。</p></div><p>谢谢您的鼓励,还有很多好片是您没有看见过的呢,嘎嘎!</p>

油油 发表于 2007-12-19 22:27:00

<p><a href="http://bbs.oldbeijing.net/showimg.asp?BoardID=52&amp;filename=2007-12/2007121916474886215.jpg" target="_blank"><img title="老北京网 www.oldbeijing.net" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://bbs.oldbeijing.net/showimg.asp?BoardID=52&amp;filename=2007-12/2007121916474886215.jpg" border="0" style="WIDTH: 500px;"/></a></p><p>喜欢,有点凄凉</p><p>其实每个人都有自己的表达方式</p><p>每个人在胡同里都有自己不同的表现</p><p>我们有不同的抓拍技巧和手段</p><p>要有自己的特色,有自己的视角,不要今天他说拍艺术,大家就都跟着拍,明天他说拍门楼,这边艺术还没弄明白,就一窝蜂的去拍门楼就好,善始善终,不管拍什么,拍什么角度和类型,有自己别具一格的风范就好</p><p>应该齐心合力才对</p><p>大海是无数个水滴汇聚而成的,老北京网也一样,需要的是所有人的力量,而不是某一个个体.</p><p>另,谢谢朱老师抬爱,油油还不算专业,正在不断的学习中.</p><p>大家一起成长!</p>

油油 发表于 2007-12-19 22:33:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>飞哥</i>在2007-12-19 16:54:36的发言:</b><br/><p>大家有机会看看白浩老师在胡同里拍的人像,也是专业模特,但是绝不是简单的美女人体和胡同的表面结合,在胡同里拍这些,也是要下很多功夫的,而且白老师不单拍模特啊,他拍了很多在胡同里土生土长的人,他首先要和那些人交朋友,然后让人家心甘情愿的去拍,而且还不做作,就是把自己平时那副北京人大大咧咧的神态摆出来,然后还要拍出来,那是下了多么大的功夫啊!上次在佳能展厅参赛完了吃饭,和白老师聊了会,看了看他的画册,非常震惊和钦佩。在胡同里拍人物,也是要下很大很大功夫的。</p><p>其实老朱版主胡同里拍的人物我也是很喜欢的,就是这几张实在是无法接受,实在觉得放在老北京网心里别扭,这是我个人的感受吧。</p><p>还有鲁丝那几张胡同人像也相当不错啊,非此喜欢。</p></div><p>油油的个人最新近照,就是白皓老师拍的,很喜欢</p>

油油 发表于 2007-12-19 22:21:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>鲁丝</i>在2007-12-19 15:39:16的发言:</b><br/><div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'mso-hansi-font-family:'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 8.35pt 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'mso-hansi-font-family:'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span></p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'mso-hansi-font-family:'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">几张人体照片,就能把网站的风气带坏?这样看是不是太肤浅了,也把网友的素质估计得太低了?现在的黄色网站整日力图冲破各位的防火墙,把格式一丝不挂的美女力男塞到你的眼前,网友们早就见怪不怪了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'mso-hansi-font-family:'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'mso-hansi-font-family:'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">至于这么大惊小怪吗?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'mso-hansi-font-family:'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></div><p>建个连接就成了,非要把照片贴上来?我想,拍记队应该有很多胡同人像拍的不错的照片吧.这种艺术在老北京网拿出来讨论太过了,再说一遍,这里是老北京网,不是蜂鸟也不是无忌,我们渴望传统文化,希望在此观赏到更经典的胡同影象,而不是接受专业摄影学习,再说,这个论坛上玩摄影的人也都没高到能教别人的地步呢.</p><p>好的胡同人像作品多的是,如果大家都拿这些照片来做讲解与举例的话,恐怕会有很多真正热爱老北京文化的网友流失,没了人气,再好的主题也是空谈. </p><p>这些人像就不错,拿这些图片举例不更好? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121915335784186.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121915342924520.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121915353425245.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2007-12/2007121915363285890.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/></div><p>姿势都挺难拿的</p>

我是片子 发表于 2007-12-19 19:37:00

<p>从我自己现在的拍照感受说起 一算是对过去的小总结 二是对今后的小期望</p><p>从水平提高上说,我没有经过专业学习,一直拍摄的题材内容太散。小品、纪实、胡同等等什么都拍,什么都想拍好,急于求成。不是说这些不能够同时拍,而是一通拍下来之后,时间、精力、财力、快门数量花出去了,但实际水平提高甚微。所以,基础知识的普及和一些题材的集中组织练习还是比较需要的。</p><p>今天和记者张硕说了我的感受,他直接建议我去根据纽约摄教系统拍摄,看来这个工作是比不可少了。</p><p>至于专业与否,这个忒难界定,希望还是根据内容主题来区分摄影版与拍记版的区别可能更适合我这样的摄影爱好和初学者:)&nbsp; </p><p>比如像之前说的,摄影版除了胡同之外,可以设立区别于拍记内容的主题形式,比如拍人像阿、建筑阿(古代、现代皆可)、拍雪拍雨、拍猫拍狗拍老鼠、摄影知识阿、名家欣赏阿……就是打个比方吧,至于主次这个我觉得不需要去人为界定,时间长了,哪个主题受欢迎,哪个比较冷门一幕了然,所以应该不太需要担心会成为另一个无忌和蜂鸟,毕竟咱们网站的摄友大多还是喜欢以北京为背景题材的,毕竟像墩版一会一趟坝上、一会一趟沙漠的机会太少。所以可以提高开放型。</p><p>如果能够定期或不定期的设定一些主题来集中拍摄也能够调动大家的参与性和积极性,因为确实我自己有时候想拍,但是不知道拍什么,需要有个类似作业的东西来督促督促:P……这个作业主题涉及的范围初期可能还是和老北京有关比较好或者……到时候大家商量着来吧:)</p><p>ps:猪版能开这个帖并且一直积极和大家讨论,工作责任心有目共睹。无忌、新摄、蜂鸟等论坛的气氛我不喜欢和咱么这里没法比,学习过程中交流的气氛我觉得很重要,猪版作为斑竹不一定说水平有多高,而是责任心在,大家都是互相学习,版主不领工资,只赔不赚的生意,所以所做的都是奉献,尤其是这些比较有劲儿的板块。既然有所变革,一定是困难重重,毕竟过去的环境都习惯了,不过我相信各位同学和组织一定会做好。</p><p></p><p>胶卷用完了……货源紧俏,新的还没到货,还要涨钱&nbsp; &amp;*^*&amp;^&amp;^*%同样困难重重</p>
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